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eiphel asked stfu-moffat:

I find that Trans Comedy Award a little troubling in that the panel of judges contains only cis folks.

Oh, that’s right! That’s an incredibly important criticism and I’ll make sure to edit the post to include that.

It’s always good to be wary of things that are created for oppressed groups by those of privilege, but hopefully they won’t mess this up. We reblogged it in hopes to get trans* writers to participate and represented, but this is something to note in case it bothers you.

Thanks!

- SH

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  • 3 months ago
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frazerhines asked stfu-moffat:

Hi, left an ask about this earlier, but I was wondering why you never seem to draw comparisons between Moffat and a showrunner that isn’t RTD, is there any particular reason for this?

Yes, we got your ask. Unfortunately, we DO have lives outside of this blog and alas, we also do have lives outside of Doctor Who. We only compare Moffat to what we have already seen, and while I am personally trying to watch Classic Who at the moment, there’s still several decades worth of the show to get through. There have been some people we’ve reblogged or who follow us who have seen Classic Who and if they wish to contribute, that’s up to them.

I would love it if people DID submit about why Moffat’s era differs from the Classic Who writers. However, this blog didn’t initially stem from how Moffat is being inconsistent with the series and the previous Doctors; he’s inconsistent within HIS OWN era. Also, we have issues with how he writes women, treats PoC, writes flimsy plotlines, etc, with his own stories. We don’t WANT to compare him to other writers, we merely try to use other writers as examples of something we enjoy. Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat are not comparable in terms of how they treat Doctor Who. However, the treatment of Rose Tyler and the treatment of Amy Pond ARE.

I also believe in the evolution of media. If Moffat is trying to take Doctor Who back to how it was when he was a kid, that’s his own prerogative. However, it should be taken into account that the show HAS changed since he was a child and his era should reflect that. Also, the world when he was a child and the world as it is now are two completely different things. We KNOW that minorities were not treated well in the Classic Who. We KNOW that things were more than likely ~worse~ in the 70s and 80s. However, why is that stopping the show from being better NOW? PoC being treated poorly in the show during the Classic Who series has no bearing on them being treated poorly in the series now.

- SH

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duosthefangirl asked stfu-moffat:

I take offense to the stance “white people don’t experience racism”. That is just straight up not true. When I moved to Hawaii I was picked on by a local girl at my school because I was white. A friend of mine and her brother had to deal with bullying when they went to a school in a predominately black neighborhood for the same reason. Just because it’s uncommon doesn’t make it non-existent.

You experienced prejudice. Hawai’i was colonised by white people and indigenous Hawai’ians were treated terribly by Americans. Also, are you really going to get upset with how black people view white people after everything that’s happened in US history and continues to happen today?

Not saying that you should be treated like crap, but that’s not racism. We have posted several resources about white privilege, and if you can’t find any, you can always go to the racismschool tumblr.

- SH

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sashamojones asked stfu-moffat:

The tirade about white writers writing characters of colour is essentially flawed. It presumes that all poc identify as being part of “another culture”. This is obviously not true. Also, the “damned if you do damned if you don’t” argument is total hypocrisy. ANY writers should be allowed to write about characters of ANY ethnicity from ANY background. And why not? You wouldn’t demand that black writers not write about white characters, after all.

That’s because white people don’t experience racism. White people can only find out about racism and experiences of people of other cultures, races, etc from people of those particular characteristics. PoC ARE different in the sense of what they experience, even if they grow up in a white country or with white families, they will have different experiences from the white people around them. 

The ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ isn’t hypocrisy when you look at it like that. White people are seen as the norm. Even if you write white characters, there’s nothing offensive about doing so because white people don’t have the same experiences as PoC do.

Let’s look at a real life example: Memoirs of a Geisha. A white man wrote what was supposed to be a fictional account of a Japanese woman without respecting the woman who he interviewed and cites as inspiration’s wishes nor her culture. It got so bad that the Japanese woman is writing her own story. Which one is going to be more popular in the long run, do you think?

Also, Claire Light is a WoC so I think she knows what she’s talking about and maybe you should read what she says from her point of view before dismissing it as a ‘tirade’.

- SH

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  • 4 months ago
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Anon (anon@anon.com) submitted to stfu-moffat:

You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel for critiques. I don’t have the time to go into everything you’re doing awfully, I’ll just suggest you come up with some positive representation rather than pointing to problematic views. 
For example, positive LGBT characters: can’t be defined by their sexuality, can’t be a quick quip, can’t alienate them, can’t be sexualized, can’t be celibate… Unachievable for anything less than a main character.

Lol, I know. It must be so difficult to think that LGBT characters can be, I don’t know, characters. Why should they be full-fledged people instead of comic relief?

For the record, I DO like Jack’s characterisation. He was a flirt, but he flirted with everyone and he was mostly positive as an LGBT character (I’ve seen critiques about him, but I can’t recall them at the moment). He had a backstory, a rounded characterisation, and wasn’t defined solely by his sexuality. You want another example? Steve Jinks from Warehouse 13. He’s gay, but he mentions it when he’s being faced with heteronormative behaviour or when he really trusts someone. It’s something that’s mentioned several times, but he has yet to have a romantic plotline. It’s not used for jokes and he has a personality AND a character outside of his sexuality. Granted, both of these examples are white dudes, but I’m sure there’s some more out there. I saw a gifset going around with a WoC from White Collar who apparently was a positively portrayed lesbian character.

It’s NOT hard to make a character part of the LGBT without marginalising or making them into jokes. The problem with Moffat is that he thinks gay people are ‘quirky’ and ‘all in good fun’. He had a chance to do good with River, but her entire character was focused on the Doctor and solely the Doctor that she was never expanded on. Going ‘well, she’s bisexual’ AFTER the fact is not positive representation, especially if pretty much no one knows it. Again, in Warehouse 13, H.G. Wells made it clear she was bisexual by mentioning ‘many of her lovers were men’ and the fact that she has a near-canon relationship with Myka Bering (the writers, actors, etc all say that they’re in love, but it’s not 100% in the show yet). She wasn’t saying it to be mean to someone either, just as a fact.

Maybe next time, you SHOULD take the time to come up with examples of things we do poorly, because it looks like you’re the one taking scraps.

- SH

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Anon (anon@anon.com) submitted to stfu-moffat:

You do realize that the Inspector was a Victorian character? Historical accuracy is not racism, heterosexism, or ableism,

You do realise that this is the weakest argument ever, right?

Guess what wasn’t historically accurate?

  • Time travel
  • Aliens in Victorian London
  • The Doctor
  • Killer statues and killer snowmen and killer collectors of alien species and so on and so forth

The ‘historical accuracy’ stance is the most ridiculous argument when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy shows since EVERYTHING ELSE in the show isn’t real, but all of the sudden bigotry is needed to show HISTORICAL ACCURACY?? Please.

You know what WAS historically accurate? Black people in medieval times. And yet white people allll around will shout that only white people existed throughout history. They’re still wrong though, just as you are wrong.

- SH

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  • 5 months ago
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littlebitofallonsy asked stfu-moffat:

also, i’m pretty sure strax died in good man goes to war? i don’t understand how he’s alive again and in victorian london, helping solve crimes, when as i remember it, he was pretty reluctant helping the doctor, seing as he is a sontaran and everything, and then moffat had him killed in battle?

Strax DID die, but Vastra mentioned that the Victorian Strax was a genetic clone. I’m not really sure how else he relates to the original Strax, though.

hamletthemadmanwithabox asked stfu-moffat:

Would you be willing to elaborate a little on how Vastra and Jenny’s relationship is portrayed as a joke here? While I can see the other problems on reexamination of the video, I was actually all right with the portrayal of their relationship, at least as a vast improvement over the treatment it’s had before now…

The easy way to tell is how Vastra and Jenny said it and then how the inspector reacted. The women walked away, giggling as if they were making a joke out of it and not being entirely sincere, and the inspector’s reaction was surprised and confused. The entirety of the inspector’s character was supposed to be a ‘joke’, but it still comes off as highly insensitive since his bigotry wasn’t so much criticised in the show - the assumptions about the other characters were criticised, but not the bigotry itself.

- SH

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  • 5 months ago
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vauriennescapegrace asked stfu-moffat:

I thought the inspector was intentionally being portrayed as a deeply insensitive person to further his characterisation as the incompetent Scotland Yarder (an archetype Moffat seems so fond of) and his behaviour doesn’t seem to be vindicated? (Not that I disagree with you; it does come off as pretty racist/ableist/heterosexist.)

But that’s one of the issues with Moffat. You don’t need to use other people’s ACTUAL issues in order to show your intent. He could’ve EASILY portrayed how incompetent the inspector was without being racist/ableist/heterosexist/etc. He already made the point with Vastra’s comment (‘Still without a clue, I expect’ or whatever it was) and it didn’t need to be reinforced using issues insensitively. I’ve seen shows that have such remarks that aren’t supported on screen, but they’re handled much better than what I’ve seen in Doctor Who. Like how Vastra and Jenny’s relationship was turned into a joke - that didn’t need to be done in order to counteract the inspector’s heterosexism.

It’s like… we all knew BBC’s Sherlock was an asshole, he didn’t need to slut-shame Sally Donovan in order to show that. Or Riddell from Doctor Who wasn’t supported, but his misogynistic remarks were over the top and he still didn’t show too much remorse in the end. It’s the intent behind it that’s exceptionally nasty.

- SH

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Anonymous submitted:

You do realize how many of your posts require a sexist and/or homophobic viewpoint to make any sense?

You ask for LGBT characters to come out the instant they’re present. You complain when any other way occurs: romantic banter, quips, or remaining unmentioned on the show… This makes no sense on the show. You require them to alienate themselves in order to not be homophobic? Really? 

You require women to be strong, yet complain that they’re fetishes when they are. You view misogyny negatively and portray it as such (like this whole blog demonstrates), yet when the show does the exact same thing, you complain that it’s somehow supporting it. You want women to be liberated, yet when they are, it’s degrading. You complain when female characters have male friends, with the assumption that they must be wholly dependent on those male characters. This is never the case. 

Oh, and you complain that Doctor Who is about… the Doctor. Seriously?

Characters interact. No male character is independent of being defined by female acquaintances: the same is true of female and male characters. The Doctor and his companions: the companions and the Doctor. Amy and Rory: Rory and Amy. 

And finally, the character Moffat-attackers always forget about, Sally Sparrow. Non-sexual, dependent on no male characters (though she has male friends), and the Doctor owes her the TARDIS. And before you say that RTD was head-writer, he never touched Moffat’s scripts, as he often said. 

Moffat is only sexist if you make the conscious effort to view him as such. Oh, and take a look at how his male characters are portrayed: the exact same way. Always. 

Think about it: is there any conceivable female character that you couldn’t find some flaw with? Any weakness would mean a flawed portrayal: too much strength would be a fetish. Interaction with male characters would mean defined by them: anything else would be making them alienated, or making female characters a clique (and doing the same). 

When have we ever asked queer characters to “come out the instant they’re present”? As queer viewers ourselves, we’re quite aware that being out isn’t always—or sometimes, ever—safe. We’re asking for more positive representation and visibility, and that’s different. 

Do you know how much Oswin’s “I was going through a phase” hurt to hear as a queer person? Do you know how deeply that cuts when it’s just another microaggression on top of a lifetime of bisexual erasure? Do you know how easy it would have been to avoid that? All Moffat had to do was change that one line. “I dated a Rory, but she was a girl.” Still light, like the original exchange, but without apologetically squeezing Oswin back into the closet. 

Of course for some people, dating people of the same gender isn’t permanent. For some people, it is a phase. But when this is the only model of queer female sexuality present in Moffat’s work, it’s disappointing and reductive (in regards to Irene, my complaint is similar—of course gay people can fall in love with/feel attraction to someone of another gender, but when very few positive depictions of lesbians exist in the media, structuring a storyline around a gay woman’s downfall through her love for a man is incredibly offensive). 

Canton Edward Delaware III, by contrast, has been acknowledged as one of Moffat’s stronger queer characters. Unlike Oswin, he didn’t come out solely to flirt with someone of another gender, and even though he had very little depth, at least he wasn’t given two seasons to languish without further development, like River. But although his coming out scene wasn’t sexualized, it was played for laughs and presented Nixon as sympathetic (he was deeply racist and homophobic). In addition, Moffat doesn’t deserve extra credit for simply mentioning that the agent’s fiance is black. It would have been amazing to actually see a queer poc on Doctor Who—and before anyone says that would have been unrealistic during Nixon’s presidency, what’s stopping Moffat from writing queer characters of color in other time periods?

Moving on to strong women, I really don’t think it’s asking too much that Moffat avoid the pitfalls of both misogynist stereotypes and superwoman. It could have been really easy to avoid Amy’s post-fainting trip in the Doctor’s arms in Asylum of the Daleks—unlike other instances where the Doctor carried a female companion, it did nothing to advance the storyline. The problem isn’t that Amy fainted—people faint, women faint—it’s that Moffat wrote her that way at a particularly weak moment in her character arc, after Rory and Amy’s offscreen breakup. And River’s physical strength stands in empty contrast to her lack of character development, the absence of any flaws (even the Doctor has flaws, why doesn’t River? Flaws don’t make a character weak, and we only object to certain flaws in female characters when they support misogynistic stereotypes), and her horrid ending that felt wrong even minutes after meeting her in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. 

Your assertions concerning misogyny and male friends are too vague for me to address.

As regards Sally Sparrow, I’m not sure where people get this impression that STFU Moffat is against sexual women. We’re against characters who read like caricatures of sexual women, as imagined by straight men. But yes, Sally is one of Moffat’s stronger female characters, though her arc is not without problems. 

- R

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krazykarot:

I thought Billy had brought Sally down into the garage to show her all the cars of the people who went missing. I definitely didn’t get the idea that she was going down there anyway, because Billy seemed to show her around and specifically showed her the TARDIS. The garage itself seemed more like police evidence, something Sally wouldn’t have been able to see without Billy.

Oh, you’re right. Sorry. Memory was a bit fuzzy on that part, it appears. I apologise for that and stand corrected.

- SH

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